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. this is not based in science. martha: here's another issue that comes up with the children, alan. if you live in a family that has guns, hunters or has guns for their own security, that is how you grew up, what is the message you're getting from president obama if your dad and your mom believe that safe gun ownership is, their second amendment right and something they should not be a shamed of? >> no one is saying that. we don't know what the president is going to say. that is different issue whether or not it is appropriate for children to be present. that is a very separate issue. i don't believe the president's ever said that hunters should not have access to guns or take away guns from hunters. that is not at all what is being discussed today. and has nothing to do whether kids should be present. martha: i disagree. i think the message is sent to children, if they're raised in a home that has guns for security or hunting, that the message is that you're not like us and it is divisive to a certain extent. >> he is not talking about taking guns. >> hold on, it is pretty simple. let's not us
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